tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2927437653449007593.post956223144596140450..comments2023-07-03T03:52:25.347-07:00Comments on Blessed Motherhood: Command or Tradition?motherofmanyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04877187218514833866noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2927437653449007593.post-3497722421199074332008-06-14T12:14:00.000-07:002008-06-14T12:14:00.000-07:00motherofmanyRibi Yehoshua is the Mashiakh (some tr...motherofmany<BR/>Ribi Yehoshua is the Mashiakh (some translate it the Messiah).<BR/>The point of Masiakh’s death is that there shall be kipur (expiation / atonement / salvation) for geirim (some translate it proselytes) and Jews in the Covenant with Hasheim (the Creator) – we do our utmost and we get kipur when we do mistakes while doing our utmost to practice Torah.<BR/>We have a book named Atonement In the Biblical 'New Covenant' (ABNC) (see: www.netzarim.co.il ; “Israel Mall” (in the left menu); the quote is from the book description):<BR/>Atonement In the Biblical 'New Covenant' (ABNC) demonstrates the concept of 'New Covenant' kipur (expiation / atonement / salvation) as understood and taught by its author, Yirmәyahu the Prophet, centuries before the advent of Christian displacement theology (Yirmәyahu 31.30-33): "I will place my Torah within them"!!!<BR/>Prior to (..) Christian displacement theology, kipur was defined as the graciousness of ha-Sheim granted to Jews and geirim who were doing their utmost — "with all your heart and with all your soul" — to practice Torah. Even for these, kipur was granted only upon repenting from any Torah-transgression followed by returning to the non-selective practice of Torah "with all your heart and with all your soul." More than this was never required.<BR/>Less than this contradicts Torah and, therefore, cannot be the teaching of a Mashiakh endorsed by — and dependent for authenticity upon — Torah.”<BR/>If you want to know more about Netzarim I recommend you to read the article Christians linked at our first page in our website; there you also will find clickable images with the stories of what made me and others choose to switch from Christianity to Orthodox Judaism.<BR/><BR/>Anders Branderud<BR/>Follower of Ribi Yehoshua - Mashiakh (some translate it Mashiakh) - in Orthodox Judaism<BR/>www.netzarim.co.ilAnders Branderudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15696376904417632753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2927437653449007593.post-84618195404333818812008-06-14T12:00:00.000-07:002008-06-14T12:00:00.000-07:00Kelly,I have read quotes from Eusebius. We don’t a...Kelly,<BR/>I have read quotes from Eusebius. We don’t accept Eusebius Christian doctrines; we use him for some historical references.<BR/><BR/>Quote from www.netzarim.co.il – Glossaries:<BR/><BR/>“What little is known about the Ëvyonim is found in the early Church literature, by Greek-speaking Hellenists, almost exclusively gentile, who had no grasp whatsoever of Hebrew or Judaism. Their knowledge was limited to what was conveyed to them in Greek. Since the Ëvyonim were Hellenist, they were [a] apostates by definition (as Hellenists) and [b] the first and earliest "Jewish" group with which the earliest Christians could communicate. Eusebius specifically notes (EH III.xxvii.2) that there were a number of groups and he knew no better than to lump all of them together, though noting that they were distinctly different, under the same name: Ëvyonim, acknowledging that he doesn't know which is which; nor is he clear about the differences between them.<BR/>Information about the Nәtzârim, as contrasted with the Ëvyonim, must be derived from the description of Dërëkh י--ה given in 4Q MMT in order for the Nәtzârim to have been accepted in the 1st-century Pharaisaic community in the first place as well as to remain there, at enmity with the Christian Church, until the Christian Church extirpated them in 333 C.E.<BR/>“<BR/><BR/>Eusebius did describe the true followers of Ribi Yehoshua – Netzarim. The true followers of Ribi Yehoshua practiced Torah – the Jewish Bible - non-selectively. However as the above quote states there are reference in the verses to other groups than Netzarim. <BR/><BR/>Anders Branderud<BR/>Follower of Ribi Yehoshua - Mashiakh (some translate it Mashiakh) - in Orthodox Judaism<BR/>If you want to learn more about my life and religion; then click at our website www.netzarim.co.il -- than click at the link "Christians" – then click at my photo.Anders Branderudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15696376904417632753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2927437653449007593.post-75016821838801659672008-06-11T13:37:00.000-07:002008-06-11T13:37:00.000-07:00Kelly and Anders,I have absolutely no problem with...Kelly and Anders,<BR/><BR/>I have absolutely no problem with others interacting in the comments. Feel free to continue. (You actually brought up my own thoughts, and since I am fuzzy-headed from allergy meds, I appreciate it!)<BR/><BR/>I also wondered if these writings held to Yeshua as merely a rabbi, or the Messiah- as in he was crucified and resurrected. If so, how can all of the Torah still be binding? What was the point of his death, then?motherofmanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04877187218514833866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2927437653449007593.post-7951275978296802722008-06-11T11:44:00.000-07:002008-06-11T11:44:00.000-07:00Anders, thank you for answering my question. This...Anders, thank you for answering my question. This is not my blog, so I'm not sure how long Amy wants this conversation to continue, but I will leave it to her to decide.<BR/><BR/>Have you actually read Eusebius yourself, or are you relying on what your group is telling you about what Eusebious says? <BR/><BR/>Because Eusebius was describing, not the true followers of Ribi Yәhoshua, but what he considered a group of heretics. Among other things, they did not believe Jesus was born of a virgin, nor that He was divine. As you have said, this group also rejected most of the New Testament writings.<BR/><BR/>As Eusebius didn't write until the 300's, I'm not sure why one would consider him a better source of information than than the books of the New Testament, which all pre-date Eusebius.<BR/><BR/>Here is the actual section from Eusebius:<BR/><BR/> 1. The evil demon, however, being unable to tear certain others from their allegiance to the Christ of God, yet found them susceptible in a different direction, and so brought them over to his own purposes. The ancients quite properly called these men Ebionites, because they held poor and mean opinions concerning Christ.<BR/><BR/> 2. For they considered him a plain and common man, who was justified only because of his superior virtue, and who was the fruit of the intercourse of a man with Mary. In their opinion the observance of theceremonial law was altogether necessary, on the ground that they could not be saved by faith in Christ alone and by a corresponding life.<BR/><BR/> 3. There were others, however, besides them, that were of the same name, but avoided the strange and absurd beliefs of the former, and did not deny that the Lord was born of a virgin and of the Holy Spirit. But nevertheless, inasmuch as they also refused to acknowledge that he pre-existed, being God, Word, and Wisdom, they turned aside into the impiety of the former, especially when they, like them, endeavored to observe strictly the bodily worship of the law.<BR/><BR/> 4. These men, moreover, thought that it was necessary to reject all the epistles of the apostle, whom they called an apostate from the law; and they used only the so-called Gospel according to the Hebrews and made small account of the rest.<BR/><BR/> 5. The Sabbath and the rest of the discipline of the Jews they observed just like them, but at the same time, like us, they celebrated theLord's days as a memorial of the resurrection of the Saviour.<BR/> <BR/> 6. Wherefore, in consequence of such a course they received the name of Ebionites, which signified the poverty of their understanding. For this is the name by which a poor man is called among the Hebrews.Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16120027058653022897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2927437653449007593.post-67181965645853785062008-06-11T06:03:00.000-07:002008-06-11T06:03:00.000-07:00Kelly,Thanks for your reply and your question!We u...Kelly,<BR/>Thanks for your reply and your question!<BR/><BR/>We use The Netzarim Reconstruction of Hebrew Matityahu.<BR/><BR/>“Uncovering the genuine historical Jew who was Ribi Yәhoshua, and his authentic teachings, requires identifying the authentic record, the earliest extant source documents that chronicle his life and true teachings. Only the earliest extant source documents help filter out subsequent — well-documented and extensive — redactions of the Roman gentile Hellenist pagans.<BR/><BR/>The earliest extant Church historian, Eusebius, was describing the original followers of Ribi Yәhoshua, the Nәtzarim Jews, when he declared that the "only" account they accepted of the life and authentic teachings of Ribi Yәhoshua was "their own Hebrew Matthew" (later Hellenized by non-Jews to "Hebrew Matthew"). The original, Jewish, followers of Ribi Yәhoshua, the Nәtzarim, never accepted the NT. Indeed, the NT didn't even exist in their time (up through 135 CE). Moreover, the N<BR/>әtzarim Jews regarded only the Tan"kh as Scripture.”<BR/>www.netzarim.co.il -- > Click at History Museum (in the left menu) Click at the first section in the top menu..<BR/>or if you want to see the book : www.netzarim.co.il Israel Mall (left menu) Netzarim (bottom menu)<BR/><BR/>Anders Branderud<BR/>Follower of Ribi Yehoshua - Mashiakh (some translate it Mashiakh) - in Orthodox Judaism<BR/>If you want to learn more about my life and religion; then click at our website www.netzarim.co.il -- than click at the link "Christians" – then click at my photo.Anders Branderudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15696376904417632753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2927437653449007593.post-88278937922649564012008-06-10T14:37:00.000-07:002008-06-10T14:37:00.000-07:00Anders, I visited the website you left, and I want...Anders, I visited the website you left, and I wanted to ask you a question. If you feel the New Testament is a false document which is not to be followed, then what is your source of information about Ribi Yehoshua?Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16120027058653022897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2927437653449007593.post-2349925806472087652008-06-09T11:00:00.000-07:002008-06-09T11:00:00.000-07:00Hello! I found your website. My name is Anders Bra...Hello! I found your website. My name is Anders Branderud and I am from Sweden.<BR/>I would just like to write some words.<BR/><BR/>Who then was the historical <A HTTP://WWW.NETZARIM.CO.IL/SHARED/GLOSSARY/GLOS_N-Q.HTM#DF-PAGAN-NAME “ HREF="”" REL="nofollow">J*esus</A>?<BR/><BR/>Does the New Covenant really include gentiles??<BR/><BR/>I am a follower of Ribi Yehoshua – Mashiakh – who practiced Torah including Halakhah with all his heart.<BR/>He was born in Betlehem 7 B.C.E . His faher name was Yoseiph and mother’s name was Mir′ yâm. He had twelve followers. He tought in the Jewish batei-haknesset (synagogues). Thousands of Jews were interested in His Torah-teachings. Some Jews who didn’t practice Judaism where threatened. They decided to crucify him. So they did - together with the Romans. His followers were called Netzarim (meaning offshoots [of a olive tree]) and they continued to pray with the other Jews in the synagogues.<BR/><BR/>Christianity does not teach the teachings of Ribi Yehoshua. Ribi Yehoshuas teachings were pro-Torah; Christianity is anti-Torah.<BR/><BR/>If you want to learn more click at our website www.netzarim.co.il -- than click at the lick "Christians"<BR/><BR/>Hasheim – the Creator of the universe – loves you. If you want to have a relation with Him you need to follow His Torah non-selectively.<BR/><BR/>Be blessed when you practice Hasheims Torah and His mitzwot!<BR/><BR/>Anders Branderud<BR/>Follower of Ribi Yehoshua in Orthodox JudaismAnders Branderudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15696376904417632753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2927437653449007593.post-42132077378074111772008-06-08T14:57:00.000-07:002008-06-08T14:57:00.000-07:00You have brought up a very good thought in me, and...You have brought up a very good thought in me, and its now causing me to want to read into this all more in the BIBLE. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2927437653449007593.post-81033326154513242742008-06-08T14:44:00.000-07:002008-06-08T14:44:00.000-07:00I posted about the kippa herehttp://dawnescapes.bl...I posted about the kippa here<BR/>http://dawnescapes.blogspot.com/2008/04/im-postingmust-have-something-to-say.html<BR/><BR/>as for the talit (spelling?) one of my new friends is a hubby/dad of 4 daughters and his 3 year old said once when he gathered them under to pray over them, "daddy, it's like we are under your wings" .... a 3 year old understood this.Swylvhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12860481722628696739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2927437653449007593.post-47906883897291528922008-06-07T17:15:00.000-07:002008-06-07T17:15:00.000-07:00When the priests went into the tabernacle to serve...<I>When the priests went into the tabernacle to serve, they were to cover their heads with a mitre as a sign of humility (Exodus 28).</I><BR/><BR/>Does this mean you do not believe the mitre is tied to the worship of Dagon, the fish god? ;) (Sorry, couldn't resist!)Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16120027058653022897noreply@blogger.com